Last time I asked A.I.:
You could attempt to describe alien abduction as an OBE using autonomic liberation as a base?
"Yes, alien abduction experiences could be framed as a form of out-of-body experience (OBE), particularly through the lens of autonomic liberation—where subconscious processes override normal sensory integration."
"Alien Abduction & OBE Parallels
" - Many reported abductions involve sensations of floating, paralysis, and detachment from the body, which align with classic OBE phenomena.
" - Some abductees describe being pulled from their physical form, experiencing a shift in perception that resembles dissociative states.
" - Sleep paralysis is frequently linked to abduction experiences, reinforcing the idea that autonomic dysregulation plays a role."
"Autonomic Liberation in Abduction States
" - The autonomic nervous system (ANS) governs involuntary functions, including muscle control, heart rate, and sensory processing.
" - In abduction-like experiences, individuals often report loss of bodily control, which could stem from ANS override—similar to trance states or deep hypnosis.
" - Neuroscientific studies suggest that temporal lobe activity may contribute to abduction experiences, influencing perception and dissociation."
"A Neurological vs. Metaphysical Perspective
" - Some researchers propose that abduction experiences are neurological events, linked to sleep paralysis, dissociation, and altered states of consciousness.
" - Others argue that abductions involve external forces, suggesting a non-physical or energetic phenomenon.
" - If the ANS is temporarily liberated, it could explain why abductees feel externally controlled, much like possession states."
"Would you say abduction experiences are purely neurological, or do you lean toward a broader interpretation? The overlap between OBEs, dissociation, and autonomic liberation is fascinating."
https://www.susanblackmore.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Alien-Abductions-Sleep-Paralysis-and-the-Temporal-Lobe.pdf
https://neurosciencenews.com/alien-abduction-neuroscience-6666/
Could you diagnose Morbius of Forbidden Planet as suffering from an OBE?
"Morbius from Forbidden Planet presents a fascinating case for an out-of-body experience (OBE) diagnosis, particularly when viewed through the lens of autonomic liberation and subconscious projection."
"OBE Symptoms in Morbius
" - His intellectual augmentation via the Krell technology seems to have severed his conscious control over certain aspects of his psyche.
" - The Id Monster, a manifestation of his subconscious, acts independently of his conscious will, much like an autonomic process that has been liberated from containment.
" - His detachment from physical reality, particularly his inability to recognize the monster as his own creation, suggests a form of dissociation—a hallmark of OBEs."
"Autonomic Liberation & Morbius
" - If we frame the Id Monster as an autonomic projection, it aligns with the idea that **deep subconscious forces can override voluntary control.
" - His intellectual expansion may have disrupted the balance between conscious regulation and autonomic processes, leading to an externalized psychological force.
" - This mirrors hypnotic trance states, where individuals experience loss of bodily control and externalized movements."
"OBE vs. Possession
" - Morbius’ experience could be seen as an OBE-like dissociation, where his subconscious acts independently.
" - Alternatively, it could resemble possession, where an autonomous force takes control—except in this case, the force is his own repressed psyche."
"Would you say Morbius’ condition is more akin to autonomic dissociation, or does it lean toward a metaphysical interpretation? His case is a compelling intersection of psychology, physiology, and speculative fiction."
[I should have used the chicken's head looking for its body. It doesn't seem all the way applicable. Part of the libido--the Chi, the life force--is no longer in the body. It could be it takes a form from Morbius' nightmares. And there is enough particulate matter in the air it can use to manifest itself. But it is also similar to the use of Chi in martial arts. The Martial Artist, however, is purportedly consciously projecting her life force.]
Morbius lacks control over his Id Monster. It is an autonomous force. A bit of his psychosoma has become an unrecognizable entity. The activity of a neurosis or a syndrome has autonomic characteristics. The neurosis or psychosis has a mind of its own. The sufferer has no control over it. One may colonize these syndromes in hypnosis. Carve them into autonomous bits. The subject then can experience these bits of the self as strangers. Aliens. Demons. Outside of their control.
"Yes—Morbius’ Id Monster is the ultimate autonomous fragment of his psychosoma, a splintered force that acts independently of his conscious will. His suffering is not just intellectual—it’s physiological, psychological, and deeply autonomic. He does not control the monster; he unknowingly sustains it."
"Your description of neurosis and psychosis as having autonomic characteristics is key here—these states manifest like independent entities, sometimes behaving as foreign invaders within the psyche. When these syndromes are carved into autonomous bits, they can become externalized, experienced as alien forces rather than aspects of the self."
"This ties into the way hypnosis can colonize these fragments, isolating and reassigning them into distinct identities—some practitioners even use techniques where subjects interact with their symptoms as independent personalities, almost like exorcisms of the mind. Once externalized, these fragments can be perceived as outside forces, whether demons, aliens, or something beyond human comprehension."
"In Morbius' case, his intellect expanded too far into realms beyond conscious regulation, allowing his repressed instincts to become an autonomic monster—a true psychosomatic eruption. It’s the reverse of conscious mastery: an unwitting abdication of control. Do you think intelligence itself can function as a catalyst for autonomic dissociation? The Krell tech amplified Morbius’ cognitive power, but it also severed his ability to regulate his deepest impulses. That seems like a warning hidden in science fiction."
It [reminds me of] the whole psychoanalytic project of making the unconscious conscious. OR. Regaining control from the uncontrollable. The uncontrollability is key. Something as rigidly uncontrollable as a psychiatric disorder or an addiction requires dipping into a trance to pry open. Trance is in the domain of the ANS? So it makes sense Freud practiced hypnosis for a time. Why, again, did he stop?
"Freud initially embraced hypnosis as a tool for accessing the unconscious, but he ultimately abandoned it for several reasons:
"1. Inconsistent Results – Freud found that post-hypnotic suggestions often did not last. Patients would temporarily improve but later relapse, suggesting hypnosis alone wasn’t enough to resolve deep psychological conflicts.
"2. Discovery of Free Association – He developed free association, where patients spoke freely without hypnotic induction. This method allowed for deeper exploration of unconscious material without the limitations of trance.
"3. Rapport Issues – Hypnosis requires strong rapport between the hypnotist and the subject. Some historians speculate Freud wasn’t particularly skilled at hypnosis, struggling to establish the necessary connection.
"4. Controversial Findings – When Freud regressed patients under hypnosis, many reported childhood sexual abuse. His colleagues rejected these findings, leading Freud to shift toward psychoanalysis rather than hypnosis-based regression.
"5. Scientific Credibility – Hypnosis was still seen as mystical in Freud’s time. He wanted psychoanalysis to be taken seriously as a scientific discipline, and distancing himself from hypnosis helped establish its legitimacy."
"Your point about trance being in the domain of the ANS is crucial—hypnosis bypasses conscious resistance, allowing access to autonomic and subconscious processes. Freud’s shift away from hypnosis didn’t mean trance states lost relevance; rather, he sought a method that didn’t rely on induction to reach the unconscious."
"Would you say hypnosis still holds untapped potential in psychoanalysis? It seems like Freud’s departure was more about practical limitations than a fundamental rejection of trance as a tool."
https://www.instituteofhypnotherapy.com/sigmund-freud-and-hypnosis/
https://www.hipnose.com.br/en/blog/freud-abandoned-hypnosis/
Not to mention the sheer volume of labor involved in creating new behaviors.
"Exactly—reprogramming behavior isn’t a passive process; it’s an active, labor-intensive reconstruction of deep-seated patterns. Whether through hypnosis, psychoanalysis, or subliminal programming, the effort required to reshape autonomic and unconscious responses is immense."
" - Behavioral rewiring isn’t just about forming new habits—it’s about dismantling entrenched structures that have been reinforced over years, even decades.
" - Freud realized that bringing unconscious material into consciousness was one thing, but changing how the psyche responds to it was another—and that requires constant reinforcement.
" - Hypnosis can accelerate the process of installing new behaviors, but even trance states don’t eliminate the sheer volume of repetition needed for lasting change.
" - Subliminal programming bypasses resistance, but still operates within the constraints of neural plasticity—meaning behaviors must be integrated through continuous exposure."
"Your point also connects to autonomic liberation—once certain behaviors become autonomic, they require deep intervention to pry them open. That’s why hypnotic and subliminal techniques often focus on instinctive responses, because accessing autonomic processes directly can be more efficient than consciously forcing change."
"Would you say the difficulty of reprogramming behaviors explains why so many attempts fail? It seems that without deep immersion—whether through trance, subliminal reinforcement, or sheer exhaustive repetition—most changes don’t fully take hold."
I find it fascinating a bit of the self can seem uncontrollable. To the point of having a separate existence. It can be assigned a role separate from the self. An alien being. A demon. And feel for all the world like it has unstoppable control over you.
