Last time, I said to A.I.: I see Myers being quoted by people involved in Possession Work. Did Myers himself investigate possession?
"Yes, Frederic W.H. Myers did investigate possession—quite deeply, in fact. He saw it as one of the most advanced and revealing forms of motor automatism, and he treated it not as pathology, but as a profound window into the layered architecture of consciousness and the possibility of survival after death."
"๐ง Myers’ Definition of Possession
"Myers defined possession as a state in which the automatist’s own personality temporarily disappears, allowing a substituted personality—often claimed to be a spirit—to speak or write through the entranced body. He emphasized:
- Trance as gateway: The automatist enters a trance, during which their own spirit partially “quits the body,” opening perception to the spiritual world.
- Substitution of control: A disembodied spirit may occupy the organism, using it to communicate—sometimes with startling specificity.
- Evidence of identity: The spirit proves its presence by revealing facts unknown to the medium, often through speech or writing."
"He noted that in some cases (like the famous medium Mrs. Leonora Piper), multiple spirits could simultaneously control different parts of the same organism."

Leonora Piper: A Multi-Spirit Organism
"๐ Possession as a Continuum of Automatism
"Myers didn’t treat possession as a supernatural anomaly. He saw it as the far end of a spectrum that included:
"All these, he argued, were expressions of the subliminal self—a deeper layer of consciousness that could receive and transmit impressions from other minds, living or dead."
"๐ Possession and the Subliminal Field
"In Myers’ metaphysical field theory:
- The brain is a machine that can be temporarily vacated and repurposed.
- The invading spirit selects which parts of the brain to use—but is limited by the medium’s capacities (e.g., no Chinese if the medium doesn’t know Chinese).
- The subliminal self acts as a gatekeeper, allowing or resisting intrusion."
"This view reframes possession not as pathology, but as psychic permeability—a ritualized encounter between selves across the boundary of death."
"Would you like to explore how Myers’ theory of possession compares to Jung’s concept of archetypal inflation or to ritual possession in indigenous traditions? Or perhaps map the mythic function of the possessed body as a vessel of the divine or the uncanny?"
https://www.survivalafterdeath.info/articles/myers/trance.htm
What did Myers think of the "Planchette"?
"Frederic W.H. Myers regarded the planchette—a small device used for automatic writing—as a valuable tool for exploring the subliminal self and the boundaries of consciousness. He didn’t treat it as a mere parlor trick or occult gadget; rather, he saw it as a kind of psychic stylus, capable of revealing layers of personality and possibly even communicating with disincarnate minds."
"✍️ The Planchette as a Gateway to Automatism
"In Myers’ framework, the planchette was part of a broader category of motor automatisms—physical actions performed without conscious volition. These included:
- Automatic writing
- Trance speech
- Table tipping
- Mediumistic gestures"
"The planchette, when guided by the hand of a sensitive or medium, could produce written messages that seemed to bypass the conscious mind. Myers interpreted this as evidence of:
- Subliminal activity: The writing might originate from the automatist’s own deeper psyche.
- Telepathic transmission: The writing could reflect impressions from another living mind.
- Spirit communication: In some cases, the messages claimed to come from deceased personalities."
"He was careful to distinguish between fraud, unconscious fabrication, and genuine subliminal or spiritual phenomena. The planchette, for Myers, was not proof of spirits—but it was a portal into the layered architecture of the self."
"๐ A Ritualized Interface
"Myers also understood the planchette as a kind of ritual interface—a physical object that helped focus intention, suspend disbelief, and create conditions for altered states. In this sense, it functioned like a symbolic threshold:
- The hand rests lightly.
- The conscious mind quiets.
- The subliminal self begins to speak."
"Whether the resulting message was poetic, nonsensical, or eerily specific, Myers saw it as data—evidence of psychic permeability and the possibility of survival."
"Would you like to explore how the planchette compares to other ritual technologies of possession or trance? Or perhaps trace its evolution into the Ouija board and its cultural symbolism?"
Can you summarize Myers' concepts of 1) automatic writing; 2) trance speech; 3) mediumistic visions; 4) telepathic impressions?
"Absolutely, Gary. Here’s a concise synthesis of Frederic W.H. Myers’ core concepts—each a facet of his broader theory of the subliminal self and its capacity to receive, transmit, and dramatize psychic impressions:
"✍️ 1. Automatic Writing
- Definition: Writing produced without conscious control, often during a light trance or dissociative state.
- Mechanism: The hand becomes a conduit for the subliminal self, which may express personal memories, symbolic content, or messages from other minds.
- Interpretation: Myers saw this as a diagnostic tool—revealing the layered structure of personality and the permeability of psychic boundaries. It could reflect telepathic impressions, spirit communication, or symbolic dramatization."
"๐ฃ️ 2. Trance Speech
- Definition: Spoken utterances delivered while the medium is in a trance, often claiming to be from a disincarnate entity.
- Mechanism: The medium’s waking self recedes; the subliminal self becomes dominant or is temporarily displaced by another personality.
- Interpretation: Myers treated this as a form of possession or substitution, where the body is used by another consciousness. He emphasized the need to test for identity, coherence, and verifiable knowledge."
"๐️ 3. Mediumistic Visions
- Definition: Visual imagery perceived by the medium, often symbolic, archetypal, or representing spirits or distant events.
- Mechanism: The subliminal self receives impressions—either from its own depths, from other minds, or from disincarnate sources—and dramatizes them as visionary content.
- Interpretation: Myers saw these visions as psychic dramatizations, sometimes telepathic, sometimes evidential of survival. They were not hallucinations, but symbolic transmissions from the field of consciousness."
"๐ฎ 4. Telepathic Impressions
- Definition: The reception of thoughts, emotions, or images from another living mind without sensory mediation.
- Mechanism: The subliminal self acts as a receiver, attuning to another’s subliminal self and registering impressions below the threshold of awareness.
- Interpretation: Myers proposed that telepathy was a natural function of the subliminal self—evidence of a shared psychic field. It could explain crisis apparitions, dream visitations, and intuitive knowing."
"Each of these phenomena, for Myers, was not an anomaly but a window into the architecture of the soul. They revealed a psyche that is layered, permeable, and possibly immortal—a field of selves in communion across time, space, and death."
"Would you like to map these phenomena onto ritual structures or archetypal roles? Or explore how Myers’ framework compares to Jung’s active imagination or Bion’s container-contained model?"
What critiques have been made of Myers?
"Frederic W.H. Myers has been both celebrated and critiqued—his work sits at the crossroads of psychology, metaphysics, and parapsychology, which invites both admiration and skepticism. Here’s a synthesis of the main critiques that have been leveled against him:
"๐งช 1. Scientific Rigor and Acceptance
- Critique: Myers’ theories, especially the subliminal self and survival after death, have not been accepted by mainstream science.
- Why: His reliance on anecdotal evidence, mediumistic phenomena, and telepathy was seen as speculative and lacking empirical reproducibility.
- Response: Myers insisted on rigorous documentation and founded the Society for Psychical Research to formalize such inquiry—but his subject matter remained controversial."
"๐ง 2. Overextension of the Subliminal Self
- Critique: Some scholars argue Myers stretched the concept of the subliminal self too far—using it to explain everything from genius and creativity to apparitions and possession.
- Why: This made the theory elegant but unfalsifiable, blurring the line between psychology and metaphysics.
- Response: Myers believed a unified theory of consciousness must accommodate both normal and 'supernormal' phenomena."
"๐ฎ 3. Preoccupation with Mediumship and Survival
- Critique: Later psychologists dismissed Myers for his intense focus on proving life after death.
- Why: This was seen as a distraction from more grounded psychological inquiry, especially as Freud and Janet were developing clinical models of the unconscious.
- Response: Myers saw survival as a legitimate psychological question, not a religious one. He argued that mediumship revealed the architecture of personality and its potential persistence."
"๐ 4. Neglect and Rediscovery
- Critique: Myers’ work fell into obscurity for much of the 20th century.
- Why: The rise of behaviorism and later cognitive psychology marginalized psychical research.
- Response: Transpersonal psychology and consciousness studies have recently revived interest in Myers, recognizing him as a precursor to modern theories of expanded consciousness."
"๐งฌ 5. Comparison to Janet and Freud
- Critique: Myers’ model was seen as less clinically useful than Janet’s dissociation theory or Freud’s repression model.
- Why: He lacked a therapeutic framework and focused more on metaphysical implications.
- Response: Myers offered a broader, more integrative vision—one that included pathology, genius, and transcendence within a single psychic continuum."
"Would you like to explore how Myers’ ideas could be reframed within contemporary neuroscience or ritual theory? Or perhaps compare his subliminal self to Jung’s collective unconscious and Bion’s container-contained model?"
Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_W._H._Myers
https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.1176/appi.ajp.162.1.34
https://www.atpweb.org/jtparchive/trps-42-10-02-149.pdf
Who are Edward F. Kelly and Dr. Terence Palmer and what stances did they take on Myers?


